Whats the effect of stabbing joints?

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Whats the effect of stabbing joints?

Postby chance » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:28 pm

In this video Master Meza, at about four and a half minutes in, tells us to stab at a joint to immediately drop an opponent. I've never heard that recommended anywhere else. Master Meza has many more years experience than me so I've taken note on the teaching however I have doubts. I'd like to hear some opinions on the teaching. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqNTURFGAU8
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Tendons & Ligaments

Postby San Soo Sifu » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:05 pm

I think deeply slicing with a broad blade; such as a Bowie Knife, would give you better results, rather than stabbing with an ice pick. However, the idea is to severely cut (or damage) a tendon or ligament.

A tendon is a tough band of fibrous connective tissue that connects muscle to bone and is built to withstand tension. Tendons and muscles work together and can only exert a pulling force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon

Fibrous tissue that connects bones to other bones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligament
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Dueling

Postby San Soo Sifu » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:09 am

The last recorded instance of court sanctioned combat occurred in France in 1547 between Guy de Chabot, Comte de Jarnac; and Francois de Vivonne, Duc de Chastaigneraie. Under the watchful eye of King Henri II, these two noblemen met at Saint-Germaine to resolve their long-standing dispute concerning Jarnac?s mistress. Despite his reputation as the weaker swordsman, Jarnac quickly severed both of his opponent?s hamstrings, incapacitating him. Attendants bandaged Chastaigneraie?s wounds; however, the Duc was so upset by his humiliating defeat that he tore away the dressings and bled to death.
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Postby San Soo Sifu » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:19 am

The herald of the combat later described that, ?there were several great thrusting as well as cutting attacks, one of which on the part of the said Jarnac struck the calf of the left leg of the said La Ch?taigneraie as he made a thrust at Jarnac; and Jarnac struck another blow on the same calf of the leg.? At this La Ch?taigneraie fell to the ground, unable to rise with the tendons in the calf of his leg evidently severed. Another source however stated both of Ch?taigneraie?s legs were cut, one after the other, while still another said the blows were independent and not consecutive, with Jarnac struggling to rise between them.
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Postby chance » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:44 am

http://www.gutterfighting.org/fairbairnknife.html
This is an interesting chart called the timetable of death.
Fairbairn learned kung fu in china during the early 1900's
Going by this chart, the stomach should be a target of choice.
San Soo Sifu, your points are well taken. :)
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